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Note to people writing ad copy that includes web sites:

/ is a "slash".

\ is a "backslash".

You cannot put a backslash in a URL. If you tell me to go to "double-u double-u double-u dot dumbass dot com backslash foo" to learn all about dumbass foo, and I follow your instructions, my browser will tell me that the URL is invalid. All of those slanty line thingies in a URL are slashes.

The slanty line thingies you see in Windows Explorer in the fill file names are backslashes. They have always been backslashes, and being too lazy to use the proper name for them doesn't somehow magically change them into slashes.

That is all.

Date: 2006-10-27 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wulfsdottir.livejournal.com
*quietly changes out [livejournal.com profile] herveus's Cheerios for some that have not been peed in today*

;) Actually, I feel your pain - my local newspaper can't tell the difference between "than" and "then," which is theoretically a more obvious difference than the one between \ and / - which the paper would publish as "then the one."

Date: 2006-10-27 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] s10clee.livejournal.com
Not meaning to really get you going... (but I admit it could be fun)

Microsoft's Internet Explorer will gladly accept either, replacing to backslash with a slash on the fly.

Date: 2006-10-27 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herveus.livejournal.com
Well that seems like broken behavior to me... :)

But then, I don't use Internet Exploiter unless I have absolutely no alternative.

Date: 2006-10-27 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fuzzface00.livejournal.com
Depending on your browser:

http://www.io.com/~fuzzface/%5c
http://www.io.com/~fuzzface/\

You are correct, but I thought I would push the point :-)

Date: 2006-10-27 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fuzzface00.livejournal.com
And LJ doesn't recognize the backslash as valid :-)

Date: 2006-10-27 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herveus.livejournal.com
Of course, if you *want* a backslash in a URL, it has to be properly encoded as %5c, but they don't read the URLs that way.

Hell, if you call up American Express, their hold speils make the same dumbassed mistake...

Date: 2006-10-27 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freetrav.livejournal.com
* FreeTrav cheers!

When dealing with this problem with many of the lusers (sic) that I have to deal with, I've taken to pronouncing '/' as 'unshifted question mark'.

Date: 2006-10-27 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sskipstress.livejournal.com
I can't say that three times fast, but I think it's a great way of indicating the proper type of slanty character.

Date: 2006-10-27 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herveus.livejournal.com
I was getting a new programmer set up with something at work. He needed to type some stuff in a dialog box -- a unix path. I said "enter slash p c m s oh one slash..." and he started typing \pcms01\.
I said "slash" again and he bought the clue, but I was sad inside.

Date: 2006-10-27 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goddessgoddess.livejournal.com
I can't ever remember which way is what. But at least I have inner beauty!

Date: 2006-10-27 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herveus.livejournal.com
You have hawtness on the outside too... :)

Date: 2006-10-27 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goddessgoddess.livejournal.com
See? That's why I keep you around! Despite your nerdy backslash/slash insistance...

Date: 2006-10-28 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sskipstress.livejournal.com
So, in a language reads from right to left, would a slash slanting up to the left still be a backslash?

Date: 2006-10-30 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herveus.livejournal.com
In the limited context of URLs, backslash remains an invalid character. I don't know if Arabic or Hebrew typefaces present different glyphs for those characters... interestion question...

Date: 2006-10-28 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snolan.livejournal.com
So what exactly is the difference between a forward tick and a back tick (aka: end single quote, begin single quote; single quotation mark, accent grave)?

To cheer you up:
<>!*' '#
^"'$$-
!*=@$_
%*<>~#4
&[]../
|{,,CRASH


Waka waka bang splat tick tick hash,
Caret quote back-tick dollar dollar dash,
Bang splat equal at dollar under-score,
Percent splat waka waka tilde number four,
Ampersand bracket bracket dot dot slash,
Vertical-bar curly-bracket comma comma CRASH.

Sadly the forwardness and backwardness of the ticks is hard to read in LJ's default fonts.

Date: 2006-10-30 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herveus.livejournal.com
It depends on how you want to look at it. There be Unicode code points for each, two of which fall into the "C0 Controls and Basic Latin" range and one more in the "C1 Controls and Latin-1 Supplement" range. Beyond that, you get into "General Punctuation", "Combining Diacritical Marks", and (I think) "Spacing Modifier Letters". Ain't Unicode fun?

Another way is to consider the language context...and then there is (so-called) "smart quotes" and other "helpful" things.

u0027 is 'APOSTROPHE'
u0060 is 'GRAVE ACCENT'
u00B4 is 'ACUTE ACCENT'
u2018 is 'LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK'
u2019 is 'RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK' (and is "preferred for apostrophe")
u2032 is 'PRIME'
u2035 is 'REVERSED PRIME'
u02B9 is modifier letter prime
u02BC is modifier letter apostrophe
u02C8 is modifier letter vertical line
u0301 is combining acute accent
u02CB is modifier letter grave accent
u0300 is combining grave accent

Date: 2006-10-28 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vesilehti.livejournal.com
You would think it would be easy to remember. A Backslash is Bendwise; a Slash is bendwise Sinister.

Date: 2006-10-29 06:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] montuos
Heralds! *makes rude noise*

Date: 2006-11-02 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snolan.livejournal.com
This crowd is an entire semi of heralds (grinning, ducking, and running).

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