Grrr...

[herveus]

Well. It seems to be done.

Certain things have become quite clear.

Further developments will be "interesting" in the Chinese sense.

This, too, shall pass.

...but, then, so do kidney stones, usually.

Thus saith the Spikey Mace of Quiet Reason, rabble rouser.

Comments

[thatpotteryguy.livejournal.com]

So what, exactly, has become clearer? So far, everything I have heard obfuscates the issue even more thoroughly.

[herveus.livejournal.com]

Curia lasted six minutes. Long enough to read the law change. Not long enough for anyone with a right to speak in curia to do so.

Orders are not to be trusted to select their principals.

Yep. I'm rabble rousing again.

[celemon.livejournal.com]

In other words, how to make curia not work as it's intended to? This rabble is feeling roused, for many reasons.

[dragonazure.livejournal.com]

I was somewhat amused to hear about the change to Clerk Signet policy. The assumption is that the Crown knows the definition of what constitutes a scroll per Laurel Sovereign of Arms precedents. There isn't anything wrong with the change per se, but it does make some rather sweeping assumptions that aren't usually true.

Out of curosity

[orlacarey.livejournal.com]

What was the change in Clerk Signet policy?

[mistressrhi.livejournal.com]

I nuked it this a.m. That change will not be published, so it won't take effect. ;-)

These are not the changes you are looking for. You can go about your business. Move along!

[meradudd.livejournal.com]

Pardon for the intrusion, but I am interested as to the definition you refer to regarding what constitutes a scroll as per Laurel precedent. The latest precedent that I am aware of on the subject dates from 1972. My precedents are, however, only reaching to 2004. Your insight would be most valuable and of interest.

[herveus.livejournal.com]

I am not aware of any newer precedent.

[dragonazure.livejournal.com]

I don't take credit for digging these up

"Remember that the Principal Herald is responsible for what is said on all scrolls and for the emblazons. In those kingdoms where there is a separate College of Scribes, the head of the Scribes should confer with the PH to establish approved scroll texts for each award, approved achievements for each award, and procedures for ensuring that the correct names, dates, blazons and emblazons are used on each scroll. No scroll other than a promissory note may be given out with an unregistered name or an unregistered arms. The scroll should not even be begun until the name and arms are registered. Once the texts and achievements are agreed upon, the head of the Scribes can then handle all scrolls, but the PH is still responsible for seeing that no scroll is signed, sealed or presented which has an unregistered or incorrect name, blazon or emblazon. It is permissible for the PH to allow scrolls in other languages, so long as the translation of the scroll text is accurate."
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1982/05/cl.htm

and

"It has been Laurel policy since the time of Wilhelm von Schussel that scrolls that convey arms at either award, grant or patent level, be only given to people who have registered names and devices. Note: this does not preclude someone without a registered name or device from receiving an award, just from receiving an official scroll. Promissory notes are not considered scrolls."
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1996/09/lar.html